Banrock Station

topic posted Sun, March 5, 2006 - 7:16 PM by  Jamey
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I'd like it if some more knowledgable people weighed in on Banrock Station.

I like red wine. I know a tiny bit about it. I read articles about wine when I find them. But my main obstacle to becoming a connoisseur is the fact that I am always broke. My tastings are limited to bottles under $10, but preferably under $5.

My favorite varietal I have ever found is Malbec from the Mendoza region. When I lived in England years ago, I could get them easily and cheaply.

I also love Shiraz (or Syrah, depending on where it's from). I've been buying Banrock Station wines for a couple years. I picked one up for the first time because I was in a liquor store and eavesdropping on another customer's conversation. This was in the US; an Australian guy was talking to an American guy. The Australian guy was browsing the store's Australian wine selection, and he had some interesting comments. I was interested when he said he had never heard of "Yellow Tail" because this was definitely a cheap brand that was stocked well (and pushed heavily) by this store. He said to his friend that Banrock Station was always a good standby (reliable choice). I took him at his word and started buying it.

It's not great. But it's fairly decent for the price. Over the weekend I opened a 2004 Shiraz and was slightly more impressed than I usually am.

Anyway, I'd like to know what others think. I'm trying to be honest here, and show you that I am a novice when it comes to wine. I'd love to have a bigger wine budget, but it is not possible right now.
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Jamey
Seattle
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  • Re: Banrock Station

    Sun, March 5, 2006 - 7:41 PM
    I've only tried the Cab & the Chardonnay (which is truly the most vile thing I've ever had!) The Cab is, well, less offensive, but there's GOT to be something better out there for the price. Even Concha Y Toro.
    • Re: Banrock Station

      Sun, March 5, 2006 - 11:07 PM
      << truly the most vile thing >>
      Wow, that's saying something!

      I generally don't drink white wine unless someone else is serving it at their home. I have tried the BS Cab and it is ok, but the Shiraz is better.

      So, what IS better that can be had for $4.99 or less? Maybe that is what I am really asking, lol! I am not familiar with Concha y Toro, but if I do a search, I see that it is Chilean. I guess I've probably had some wine with a few of their labels... Frontera... Marques?

      So was this Aussie guy totally off-base?
      • Re: Banrock Station

        Mon, March 6, 2006 - 1:24 AM
        I am not a big fan of Banrock but do love what they do for the environment and their winery is set near a reserve and they have restored it to keep the wildlife etc. Their whites seem to be better than their reds.

        My favourite aussie wine which i am not sure if you can get up there but may be a bit more exxy is Wynns Coonawarra Estate Cab Sav or Shiraz, its melts in your mouth, very chocolatey coffee flavour esp the Cab Sav.

        mmmmm wine!
      • Re: Banrock Station

        Mon, March 6, 2006 - 9:50 AM
        Is there a Trader Joes near you? They often have pretty decent, really cheap wines. I usually buy all my wines wholesale through the restaurant where I work, so I'm not sure what's out there & what the "real" prices are. I could ask one of the wine reps what they recommendd in that price range.
      • Re: Banrock Station

        Mon, March 6, 2006 - 12:06 PM
        yeah, banrock's shiraz is ok, but i dont love it.

        for the big name - well distributed aussie wines under $10, rosemont makes a good cab / shiraz blend.

        ill second the trader joes reccomendation.. im prone to buying their under $10 wines just to try em. mostly i go for italian, french, and spanish, sometimes they will have a good price on aussies or californians. mixed experience with reccomendations there, usually theres a few people who have actually tried the wines and know their stuff - and they are glad to tell you the finer points of the $5.99 chiantis and grenaches - and a few people who will say 'yeah, i see a lot of people buy that one' but dont really know much about it. but often ill just buy one on a whim b/c i like the label or whatever. for $5-10, a few misses i think are worth it, and its a good education. and i get more hits than misses that way.

        last time i was at the one nearest me (santa fe) they were stocking an aussie blend (shiraz / cab / monastrell) from a winery called 'mad dogs and englishmen' - despite the strange name, it was excellent. about $7. ive also been liking an italian riserva chianti, from il valore, also about $7. ive done pretty well lately with their cheaper italian wines too.

        concha y toro is generally a great cheap brand. theres another chilean brand im thinking of.. ummm.. ill post later if i remember.

        and, believe me, i know budget issues from what for, but i will say that the difference between a $5 wine and a $15 one is often (not always) huge.. way more so than, say, the difference between $20 and $50. finding a good cheap store and buying a (mixed) case at a time can save you a little. some places will even give a 10% case discount on a six bottle purchase.

        anyhow, i still hold a major allegiance to good bottles in the $5-10 range. but i do enjoy being able to splurge a little from time to time. if its helpful, think of what you and a friend would spend on a few drinks in a bar. you hit $30 (or more) pretty quickly. and spending $20 bucks on a great bottle of wine and staying in can be pretty fun.
  • Re: Banrock Station

    Mon, March 6, 2006 - 12:40 PM
    i'm in the same situation, trying to learn about wine with budget constraints. here's whats worked for me-

    * any wine that is not a well known name varietal name like merlot, cab, pinot, shiraz, etc etc -- will generally be better quality because they dont have the easy name recognition.

    * if you are in a liquor store, look for the bottles that are a little out of the way, with some dust on them that are not getting hit w. any sunlight. you can find some great bargains this way.

    * talk to people. many wine buyers like talking to people who arent snobs, and they will steer you towards the bargains. and the wine buyers at grocery stores may be more help then wine stores, because they are dealing with more volume and lower priced wines.

    * lately the italian wines have been really doing it for me price/quality wise. barbara d'asti superiore is a grape/region in italy and is worth looking for. it can be at or under ten and is great.

    * spanish wines can be a bargain. this wine is only six dollars at my overpriced natural foods store and has some personality.
    www.bodegasborsao.com/pages/primii.htm

    * the big drugstores that carry wine will definitely have a wide selection under 10
    • Re: Banrock Station

      Mon, March 6, 2006 - 1:16 PM
      good tips, pollenpilot.

      esp. about lesser known varietals. all my spendy wines lately have been oregon pinots.. im trying to get an edumacation on them and enjoying the hell out of it. but for under $10, its all about malbec and minervois and barbera d'asti and all those other ones that dont get instant name recognition. jamey, i know you said you dont drink a lot of white wine, but i am becoming a big fan of viognier, and finding many great ones under $10 or so.

      and, yeah, that under $10 spanish bodega borsao you linked to is awesome, PP. ive had it before and thought it a great wine for the price.

      my one thought about big drugstores carrying wine is that they tend to stock well known names, not quality. they mostly cater to people who will buy the same bottle again and again and again and again.. usually california chardonnay or aussie shiraz. some stores like this have a good selection if you know what you look for, tho.

      all in all, tho, find a local independent store known for stocking good wine. in my experience, even some really high end wineshops will go out of their way to set you up with something good, no matter what your budget, and will give you an education in the process. you wont find 2 buck chuck prices, but almost any wine shop will stock several wines in the $7-12 range. and they will have chosen them for the taste, not for the name recognition.
      • Re: Banrock Station

        Wed, March 8, 2006 - 3:46 PM
        I didn't think there was a Trader Joe's very close but I just did a Google Maps search and there it is! I don't know why I haven't seen it before. It must be hidden somehow. I'll have to hunt it down.

        I've never come across Rosemont for under $10... maybe at Costco. But I like it a lot.

        I've heard about the 10% case discount. That might work, if I can scrounge the pennies to buy six at once. Damn, this broke wino needs a job.

        Thanks all! I'll have to print out all these tips and ideas and use them in the future.
        You guys are great.
        • Re: Banrock Station

          Wed, March 8, 2006 - 8:48 PM
          I'm a broke wino, too, believe me! If it weren't for the perks of restaurant work, I don't know what i'd do for a fix! :-)
          • Re: Banrock Station

            Wed, March 8, 2006 - 9:05 PM
            mmm maybe I should bring a few mixed dozens or cartons of banrock over with me in August...have a bit of a business...mate's rates!
            • Re: Banrock Station

              Wed, March 8, 2006 - 9:07 PM
              but then i might exceed my luggage. clothes or wine...tough choice...but i do lurve the wine.

              i wish we had trader joe's here
              • Re: Banrock Station

                Thu, March 9, 2006 - 11:25 AM
                : )

                hi Meeegs. I didn't check your profile earlier so I didn't realize you are in Sydney. People who bring wine are always appreciated! I wonder what the Customs limits are?

                About how much do you spend on the Wynns Coonawarra Estate wines? I really do like Aussie wines.
                And what do you think of the Yellow Tail thing I mentioned earlier? I read up on it and I guess that it was massed produced specifically for making big bucks in the US. It's generally pretty awful. Do you ever see it sold in stores near you?

                The wine industry and its economics are getting more and more complicated every year, with so many vineyards popping up all over the world. For some companies, marketing and selling is more important than quality...
                • Re: Banrock Station

                  Thu, March 9, 2006 - 3:26 PM
                  no worries, i am actually moving back to Perth in Western Australia at the end of this month to go and drown myself in the margaret river wine region...its is out of this world. I am a bit bias when i comes to Western Australian wine, they have some fantastic drops but unfortunately they are hardly ever seen in the US market. I think i may have found one when i was living up in Vancouver BC but it was pretty pricey, but then again alcohol in BC is regulated and pretty pricey in general compared to elsewhere.

                  Yellow Tail is yep, bit of a poor man's vinegar down here, its been advertised a lot though but personally i would rather drink cask wine than yellow tail...i know that's awful. One thing I don't mind up your way is the Zinfandell wines, we don't get a lot of those down this way.

                  Yep unfortunately there are restrictions on wine, i can only bring in a dozen i think and that's it or two bottles of spirits (2 litres) and 6 bottles of wine.

                  Am going to try and bring some nice wines with me, am coming over for approximately 2.5 months, mainly on the west coast from LA to Vancouver.

                  Wynns Coonawarra Shiraz/Cab Sav down here is about $26+ a bottle, but in the scheme of things when you consider the exchange rate it would be about US$15 or so, but am guessing it would be more than that due to customs excise, tax etc.

                  Another favourite wines of mine are Tasmanian or New Zealand Pinots but they are exxy. New Zealand wines are pretty good too, you guys can get Oyster Bay or Montana up there i think. Not sure on price though.

                  maybe we can work out some trade agreement, i bring wine, and you bring trader joe's stuff..i love the lavendar soap bars they have...they are lush.
                  meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeegs
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                    Re: Banrock Station

                    Wed, March 15, 2006 - 12:20 PM
                    While I'm not a huge Banrock Station fan, it does use some of its profits for environmental projects (although, not sure if it still does). But as wine goes, it certainly isn't great; but better than a lot of Australian wines made for export. Many of them with the most clichéd Australiana labels that you might ever come across. Yellowtail is an example of this.

                    But my pet hate is Australian wines labelled from the region of South Eastern Australia: which, I assume covers Victoria, South Australia, New South Wales and Tasmania — a region slighter bigger than western Europe (or bigger than France, Spain, Germany, Portugal and Italy). Most are homogenised, bland, tending towards the inoffensive (but, is often incredibly offensive).

                    As with Meegs and others here, I love the wines from Wynns (and the Coonawarra region); also Eden and Clare Valley rieslings, most wines under the Peter Lehmann label and wines from the pinot noirs from the Yarra Valley and Tasmania, Margaret River wines and a few other regional wines.

                    But the best thing is each year you'll have a new vintage that becomes favourite that you hadn't heard of or wasn't great the year before, which has just started kicking goals. But when I was in Melbourne last, clean skins were the big new thing due to the glut of good wine on the market.

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