screw top verse cork?

topic posted Thu, October 6, 2005 - 9:32 AM by  Ruthy
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i'm new to this tribe, and i was curious what you guys thought about the screw top bottles versus the traditional cork. i never get the screw top bottles, but i could be willing to change my views if there were expert opinions that were in favor of the non-traditional method...
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  • Re: screw top verse cork?

    Thu, October 6, 2005 - 10:31 AM
    Many wine enthusiasts recoil in horror at the thought of a screw-top, but I've read the scientific anaysis, and really there is little difference in the quality of the wine itself. And, it eliminates the danger of a wine being corked and ruined (mold that gets into the cork, it happens in a small number of bottles).

    It's more a tradition than anything else.

    I had a wine once from a screw-top bottle, out of curiosity, and it tasted fine. It wasn't a great wine to being with, but as a drinkable table wine, it was certainly good.
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      Re: screw top verse cork?

      Sun, October 23, 2005 - 1:55 PM
      this debate has been going on since the first stelvin closure was born. in wine circles, i'd say its been beaten black and blue. for me it comes down to the sensuality and grace of popping the cork on a nice bottle (i suppose even a not so "nice" bottle)...when at home, i dont give a care how its opened...but at a table, boy i think its elementally more lovely to use a corkscrew...

      i know..i know TCA...:)
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    Re: screw top verse cork?

    Thu, October 6, 2005 - 10:40 AM
    Screw top advocates say the their technology eliminates the possiblity of getting a corked bottle of wine, but the corked wine isn't something that I've encountered very often. Also, for those who like to keep and age wine further, the screw top reduces the the ageing process-- not something I do, but if I did... My main complaint about the screw top is that it doesn't do it for me aesthetically. I like to squeeze the cork, examine it, look at any writing on it, play with it, then give it to my pet to play with. Also, that pop sound from pulling out the cork is so damn satisfying.

    Now if we're talking about brain surgery, that's a whole different story and I would have to say that the screw top method is my procedure of choice.
  • Re: screw top verse cork?

    Thu, October 6, 2005 - 10:46 AM
    You should go get a bottle of Cardinal Zin from Bonny Doon Vinyards and contemplate this exact question (readily available at Trader Joes).

    Actually, once you understand a bit more about wine, you will understand why the Cardinal Zin screw off top is one of the funniest tongue-in-cheek jokes around. (...Was that terror you just experienced, or terroir?)

    See- the screw-off top comes largely on a lot of really horrible California Zinfandel wines. Same with wines that come in a box. But heaven forbid someone ever make a *quality* California Zinfandel... Would it *too* have to be like its brethren and have a screw-off top??

    Other than that though, most wines of the world are steeped in tradition, and come with a cork. ...And the cork can be made of cork, plastic, rubber, and so on.

    ...Probably the reason why people are so big on the cork vs. the screw-off is because of the tradition that happens with the cork when a bottle of wine is opened.

    You know how you go to a restaraunt, and they hand you the cork when they open the bottle? Some people smell it- and God help those people, for they know not what they are doing!

    Instead, the intention of handing you the cork is to let you actually see that the label on the cork and the label on the bottle are the same- and that the seal was broken for you at the table.
    That way, it would be impossible for some unscrupulous restaraunt to refill a bottle of Chateau Le Super Expensive with some cheap wine, and still charge you for the former.

    After your experiment with Cardinal Zin, maybe go find yourself a *really* good wine from the Cote-De-Rhone.

    Slide its cork out, and get ready for the anarchy and primal scream of the palate- at one moment, peppery, at another, softness, at another fruit... Total chaos. A mystery how something can taste that way, well unless you also get surprised by a good Eiswein.
    • Re: screw top verse cork?

      Thu, October 6, 2005 - 5:36 PM
      here's another perspective--

      Wine Spectator's James Laube, who recently observed:

      " I briefed [an acquaintance] on how corks tainted by 2,4,6 trichloranisole (aka TCA) ruined otherwise fine wines by imparting a musty character. ... To drive the point home, I said that there are days when 15 percent of the wines we taste in our Napa office are flawed and undrinkable, the result of bad corks. ...

      Most wine drinkers are aware of the hassles caused by corks. Those who say they’ve never tasted a “corky,” or spoiled, wine are undoubtedly mistaken. They just didn’t know it, perhaps because they’re not sensitive to the taint. Those who haven’t lost a good, old, cellared bottle to a crumbled cork, well, that too is hard to imagine. I can only say their time is coming."
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    Re: screw top verse cork?

    Fri, October 7, 2005 - 12:04 AM
    I don't see a huge need for any of the stelvin tops, but I'm also not opposed to them. I've definitely had corked wines (half of my '93 burgundies have been corked) as well as other spoilage related to bad corks besides TCA.

    And the talk of how it's hard to tell because top winemakers don't use stelvins is out of date. LOTS of top producers all over use it.

    Let's see, off the top of my head:
    Plumpjack, the hundred buck bottle of Cabernet from the Gettys/Newsome, is botttled half their production stelvin and half cork, so you can spend a couple hundred and compare easily.

    Gunderloch(German Riesling) was a mix of stelvin and cork for 2002 vintage for both Spatlese and Auslese, with Kabinett and lower stelvin only, and their best cork, but for 2003, the Spatlese and Auslese are also stelvin only. Keep in mind that this is a major endorsement, as it was only a few years ago that Fritz Hasselbach was saying Germans absolutely WOULD NOT stand for stelvin and preferred to risk TCA.

    Shramsberg, the California Sparkling Winemaker, has been using crown caps for their bottle aging all the way until disgorgement (including their Late Disgorged releases) for at least a decade, as do some French Champagne producers.

    The Aussies have been using stelvin for over 20 years now, and have had no instances of the stelvin turning bad. The wines did age slower, which some folks consider a good thing (fresher, brighter fruit profiles) and some do not (but less development of secondary aromatics).

    Of course, considering that probably none of the last 10 years of Chateau Latour will be ready to drink in my lifetime, and that Michael Broadbent has reported favorable tastings of 200 year old Y'quem, slower aging really doesn't sound like a major selling point. :)

    I definitely prefer screwtops over the hard rubbery synth corks, those things are a pain to get a corkscrew in. The foam synth corks seem ok, but I don't know if there are any decade-plus year old ones anyone's tried yet.
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    Tainted Goods

    Thu, October 20, 2005 - 1:02 PM
    Three to five percent of all bottles with natural corks show some degree of spoilage. The culprit is trichloroanisole, commonly known as TCA. This complex chemical comes from reactions within corks, which involve natural molds and the chlorine bleach used in cork manufacture. This leads to an inescapable conclusion: Do not use corks.
  • Re: screw top verse cork?

    Thu, October 20, 2005 - 6:35 PM
    One of the unspoken cons for wine corks is that cork trees are presently endangered from overharvesting. Cork trees can live up to 600 years but you kill them by taking the bark off. I m all for developing and using new types of cork-like material, finding the wine can be the problem.
    • Re: screw top verse cork?

      Thu, October 20, 2005 - 10:23 PM
      "Cork trees can live up to 600 years but you kill them by taking the bark off."

      Actually, this is incorrect, or at best, partially incorrect. Cork trees are very unusual in that, unlike most other trees they develop two layers of bark, an inner living layer and a spongy, "dead" outer layer. It is only the spongy outer layer that is harvested for cork and if the cork oak subject to harvesting is 25 years or older and the harvesting is done properly and the inner layer is preserved, there is no lasting damage to the tree, which will begin accumulating another layer of cork almost immediately. The first harvest of cork is generally not good enough to be used for wine corks and is made into floor or wall tiles; the second is also not used for bottle stoppers. It's generally only by the third harvest, when the cork tree is approximately 50+ years old, that the cork layer is considered good enough to be used for wine. A cork tree usually yields between 13-18 harvests during its very long lifespan. Those 600 year old trees may well have yielded cork for folk during the Renaissance!

      As for endangerment, I've actually heard the opposite argument-that cork forests in Portugal are endangered by the adoption of alternative closures as cork harvesting becomes economically less important (almost 80% of harvested cork is used for bottle stoppers) and the land is considered for other uses. You can read an example of this argument here: www.peopleandplanet.net/doc.php For obvious reasons this view is very very popular with APCOR, the Portuguese Cork Association.

      All that being said, I like Stelvin screw caps just fine for drink-me-now wines, both red and white.
      • Re: screw top verse cork?

        Fri, October 21, 2005 - 5:43 AM
        Thanks for the clarification on cork trees. Your comments were really insightful. I m going to have a little chat with one of my friends that gave me some misleading info. peace
        • Re: screw top verse cork?

          Fri, October 21, 2005 - 12:47 PM
          also, what about the natural cork versus the synthetic/plastic ones? one thing i can say about the man-made corks is that i have a lot harder time trying to pull the cork out of the bottle. it took me ten minutes last night (and a lot of arm strength) to get the synthetic cork out--what a pain!

          are there special bottle openers for these new corks?
          • Ray
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            Re: screw top verse cork?

            Sat, October 22, 2005 - 2:16 AM
            I've found that the traditional "waiters friend" style, with the lever action against the lip of the bottle works fine. Try to find one with a stainless steel screw, the teflon coatings on cheap steel come off and you end up with a screw that's much harder to work into the bottle. Also, some screws are much longer than others.

            For affordable, I use a Pulltap, which runs around 6 bucks. It's actually a "2 stage" lever, which requires even less effort to pull, but you pull twice (half way up, reposition the lever, and pull again). Here's one link, though I've never bought from here so no promises (mostly posting because it has pictures) www.corkscrewi.com/pulltap.html
            • Re: screw top verse cork?

              Sat, October 22, 2005 - 6:14 AM
              I would also advice to anyone wanting to buy one of those airpowered cork key, not to do it. I've never been really successful in opening a bottle of wine without getting wine all over me with these funky contraptions, specially after a couple of glasses of wine..
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              Re: screw top verse cork?

              Sun, October 23, 2005 - 1:51 PM
              ray, most others will poo poo me on this, but for special event pouring, i bust out my kershaw corkscrew. its glorious. bonacourssi used to recommend this one. its stunning, its a weapon, fantastic little finger pad grip for busting out the knife. but you cant let ppl borrow it less you trust them!

              www.corkscrew.com/sales_kershaw.html
              i like it better than the show off lagioule ...but those are "sexy" i suppose.

              um, the thing about kershaw too, is i had mine a year and whenit started wearing down they sent me a new in exchange. infinite pouring.

              but jim clendenen gave me one of his au bon climate openers and its really nice, heavy, thin and teflon (i LIKE teflon) however, the kershaw is plain steel...which i like as well. difficult in those dry italian corks tho.

              cheers!
  • Re: screw top verse cork?

    Wed, October 26, 2005 - 5:28 PM
    There is a nice red from Torbreck that has a screwtop. Should have seen me getting frustrated the first time I tried to pop the cork on one of those. It was not a cheap bottle of wine and as such I never expected anything but a cork, synthetic or otherwise.
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    Thu, October 27, 2005 - 11:17 AM
    as a bartender, i love screw top
    • Re: screw top verse cork?

      Sat, October 29, 2005 - 9:29 AM
      A tangent here, with a bit of tribal overlap...

      My wife works for Bonny Doon Vineyard, in their marketing department. She and I are both longtime burning man attendees. In 2004, we introduced BDV's creative director John Locke and two other BDV marketers to the playa, and of course, brought plenty of wine. John is responsible for most of the label concepts/designs and pairing notes, as well as being a talented wine maker that often travels to Europe to determine what they'll import. John treated our camp to some fantastic library wines and lovely cheeses. On playa, the screw caps are wickedly practical.

      In 2005, John once again joined m wife and I at BM, camping with us in llumination Village. John brought many cases of great wine, and we were spoiled with amazing combinations of exotic vino and lovely cheeses, breads, and meats.

      John also helped out our friend who drives around a 60 foot articulated SF Muni Bus on the playa, coverted into a Jules Verne-sque Nautilus party bus, pouring custom re-labeled Asti Muscato, a charming effervescent Muscato, perfect for breakast or aternoon cocktail parties.

      Back in the default world - the BM connection is pervasive. The marketing department just wrapped up a brochure parody of Dante's Inferno, with gorgeous photos shot in the winery. For one BDV bottle family shot, the complete collection was arranged on an oaken barrel, and my bonefire was lit behind the compostion for a firey backdrop and ambient light.

      I set-up a Bonny Doon Vineyard tribe a few weeks ago. It's not very populated with articles yet, regardless, please feel free to join the tribe.

      tribes.tribe.net/bonnydoonvineyard
  • Re: screw top verse cork?

    Thu, November 17, 2005 - 9:21 AM
    Ruthy

    To me its pretty simple, a screw top is a better closure for the wine, if you don't believe me see www.feltonroad.com/news/stelvin.asp Now one of the people posting made a comment that they hadn't come accross much cork taint, industry experts agree that between 5-15% of wines are tainted, so I suggest to you that this drinker is not recognizing the taint instead probably just assuming it's a less than great bottle of wine.

    Finally there is alot of talk about the romantic act of opening a bottle of wine, sure I admit it is kinda cool to use a cork screw just like writing with a feather is kinda cool, it still doesn't make sense. You make your own mind up, are you more interested about what is in the bottle or how you open it?
    • Re: screw top verse cork?

      Thu, December 8, 2005 - 2:28 PM
      i am interested in the effect that these two different types of closures have on the wine more than how one opens it (although I do feel a little unsatisfied when I open a screw top wine versus popping open a cork, where the wine becomes a reward for completing the feat of opening the bottle--which can often be difficult).
      i have tended to assume over the years that all screw top bottles are inherently bad, so i wanted to make sure that this was just a silly bias of mine that had no grounding in truth, which most people's responses seem to validate. i'm going to stop avoiding screw top wine bottles in the future.

      thanks for all the advice!
      • Ray
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        Re: screw top verse cork?

        Mon, December 12, 2005 - 9:40 AM
        I worked a small winery open house recently. We opened several hundred bottles for pouring over 4 days (we started opening 2 days before the first day as most of the wines are very young current releases).

        1 winemaker has gone all synthetics, one's a cork die-hard, and 1's down the middle.

        Bad bottle count from my recollection.
        3 corked (actual TCA 2,4,6, unmistakable character). all natural cork, of course. I was actually the only one there who noticed the 3rd bottle, everyone else could only tell for 2 of them at first.
        3 heat damage (some weren't stored with the others)
        3 "off" that we couldn't figure out
        5 were showing some off aromatics, but eventually came around (half a day later). 4 of these were synthetics, oddly.

        Of all the problem bottles, those 3 TCA bottles were the only ones limited to natural cork. What I found interesting was that the synthtops had so many odd aromatics bottles. While they were not ruined like the TCA wines, they were basically undrinkable until left out for half a day. Consider how many folks are either buying their wine at a restaurant, or simply going to pop the bottle open an hour before dinner or something? That bottle isn't going to come around in time to enjoy it anyway, though I suppose they could stick it in the fridge and try it some other day.

        Fortunately I get to enjoy way more bottles than I don't, which works for me. :)
        • Re: screw top verse cork?

          Tue, December 20, 2005 - 11:46 AM
          I enjoy a lot of whites from New Zealand and I believe that by the end of 2005, all wines from there are switching to screw tops.

          They have some very good wines and I'd never turn down a bottle of Babich Sauvignon Blanc just because it's a screw top. It has to be my favorite white. Corks are nice aesthetically, but except for Kim Crawford, I've yet to try a bad tasting wine from NZ.

          I'm no expert by any means but I never let the fact that it's a screw top deter my enjoyment of some really tasty wines.
          • Re: screw top verse cork?

            Tue, December 20, 2005 - 8:59 PM
            hello. this is a great thread. I have learned quite a bit just by scanning.

            I rarely even find screw tops wherever I shop. It will be interesting if this trend in the wine world continues. I have no bias either way. Just like the wine.
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    Mon, January 9, 2006 - 11:19 PM
    lets face it...screw tops are faster...and as long as they arent made of some toxic metal. Die hards are going to say there is a flavor difference,but I have been drinking wine for 30 years and I still have a problem figuring out the subtle taste differences of the grapes and vintages..(come on..I aint an expert!)...as long as it isnt swill and it tastes good...
    • Re: screw top verse cork?

      Tue, January 10, 2006 - 7:17 AM
      What's the cork vs. screw top ratio for bottles of other types of expensive booze? They don't cork Crown Royale, and nobody considers it swill because of that.
  • Re: screw top verse cork?

    Tue, January 10, 2006 - 9:11 PM
    if you care about serving the wine in good condition, then screw tops are the way to go in 99% of circumstances.

    as a wine buyer, i taste a HUGE number of cork tainted wines.

    some are ruined by the corkiness. in that case, it is just a case of a sad waste of wine that would have been fine if screw capped.

    others are flawed, but in a way which many might not recognize as "corked." most people would just think the wine was lousy, and never drink it again. in that case as well, it is a waste of an otherwise fine wine, and, it serves to turn the drinker off that wine. what a shame, and i think, a frequent story.

    with a few very expensive and age worthy exceptions, corks are pointless.

    they are a tradition, that is true. some people want to hold that tradition up as part of what makes wine "fancy" or "elite." in reality, it is a tradition which simply serves to ruin vastly more wines than it benefits.

    bring on the screwtops!
    • Ray
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      Re: screw top verse cork?

      Wed, January 11, 2006 - 6:28 PM
      I'm curious, as a wine buyer, what do you consider the criteria to be an age-worthy exception to screwtop?

      Not that I disagree; most wines are never going to be any better than they are on release, so the screwtop ability to preserve in exactly that state is ideal.

      But, I've had quite a few wines under $20 on release that I consider ageworthy, from Bordeaux, the Rhone, sometimes Burgundy, South Africa, Australia, which I wouldn't characterize as "very" expensive. Some wouldn't age more than 4-5 years, others I could see going over a decade.

      Of course, some of the finest wines already last decades in cork, would they endure centuries in screwtop? :)
      • Re: screw top verse cork?

        Wed, January 11, 2006 - 10:04 PM
        That is a good question...

        My understanding is that screwtops provide a seal which is so complete that it limits, or hinders, age-induced change and development. One might look forward to enjoying these changes in certain types of wine. Since corks are known to facilitate these changes and developments, they have their place where aging is concerned.

        As for criteria / types of wine, I am thinking one would include great Bordeaux estates, grand cru Burgundies, top-flight Rhone wines, arguably some of the cult Cabs out of California, things like that. All of these are either wines which need to resolve their youthful tannic intensity, or wines whose traditional reputation is built upon how they develop with aging

        If you have one of those special wines AND you want to enjoy the changes that can come with age OR you are just buying a nicely made wine to see what happens over a reasonable range years, then it should be cork by all means.

        For myself, I can't afford the wines which would actually BENEFIT from long term aging, I wouldn't have the patience to let them age, and I would be mad as hell if I cracked open my last bottle of Lafite only to find it corked.

        Therefore, I am more than happy to let whatever wine I have sit for as long as it takes me to drink it, safely encapsulated in metal. As for centuries, I'd be dead, and the screwtop would probably have rusted through...
        • Ray
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          Re: screw top verse cork?

          Thu, January 12, 2006 - 12:11 AM
          I guess that's the thing.. I can't afford a lot of expensive wine, and as a Burgundy lover, sometimes there's only going to be one bottle available, so it's always a high risk gamble and often expensive to me. :) I'm far more likely to end up with crap for reasons other than TCA. Synthetic tops actually offer a cost advantage to the winery, so for many, it's just another excuse to save money, which increases the likelihood the wine will be bad for other reasons. The balancing knowledge, of course, is that many fine wineries are moving to stelvin too precisely because they are seeing problems with the corks and will do anything to reduce problems with their wines.

          And yes, I am fairly sensitive to TCA. In various friendly groups, I'm often the one asked to check a wine if others are questioning it. I actually find more heat damaged wines than corked ones, which is really sad. A handfull of wineries acidify so much that bottle variation is actually due to extra tartaric acid ending up in certain bottles, which is even more annoying, but fortunately I haven't seen that as often lately.

          There's a lot of good immediate drinking wine I wish WOULD use screwtops, and there's a fair amount of wines I've tried that need for some age that I hope don't end up in screwtops.

          As for wines lasting a century, I figure they'd have to be recapped instead of recorked is all ;)
          • Re: screw top verse cork?

            Thu, January 12, 2006 - 9:09 AM
            Good points.

            I agree there are a lot of wines that are a little cooked, and often times it goes under the radar. For newbies, it is unfortunate, because the wines are often not "bad" but are definitely not good.

            The synthetic cork thing definitely has some issues. I wonder if there are different formulas that are used in producing them. It seems that often the wines are fine, but sometimes you do get some kind of impact on the wine. It is hard to put a finger on.
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              Re: screw top verse cork?

              Thu, January 12, 2006 - 11:58 PM
              oh, there are absolutely differences in the synthtops, just like there are in real cork.

              By far the most stable is going to be the Stelvin, I'd say. This is the original screwtop used by the NZers, with the 20 year track record. Not only used in the screwtop we've seen, but some sparkling winemakers use crowncaps (aka sodapop bottle) for their bottle aging.

              There are apparently a couple other screwtops that use some other synthetic seals, but I don't know enough about them to say who does what. They all seem pretty similar in the wines I've had.

              The other common method are the synthetic corks. The 2 major brands there are NuCork(foamy ended, usually tan or black) and SupremeCorq (the rubbery looking ones), with LOTS of competition from newer players. I don't know that any of them have any sort of track record like the Stelvin stuff, and the SupremeCorq are actually harder to remove from the bottle (my regular waiter's friend has no problem, but many of the "easy" removers have trouble with the tougher material and greater force needed).

              I've actually found that a lot of the synthetic corked wines NEED decanting, they end up showing bottling shock for much longer than regular corktop bottles, so benefit from a LOT of gentle aeration. These are the ones I'm most concerned about whether they'll remain stable for any sort of multi-year storage, too.
              • Re: screw top verse cork?

                Tue, March 7, 2006 - 7:52 PM
                dear friends,
                we use both synthetic and natural corks in our winery. yes, the synthetic corks do not have the tca issue, but they are not the equal of natural corks in other areas. the biggest area where they differ is in oxygen permeability, whether through the cork, or between it and the bottle. synthetic corks are a less effective oxygen barrier (currently) than natural corks. and natural corks are a less effective barrier than screwcaps.

                this has several implications. since the rate of aging of the wine in the bottle is directly related to the availability of oxygen to the wine inside, wine will age more quickly under a synthetic cork than natural, which will age more quickly than wine under a screwcap, if all else is equal.

                but all else is not equal. the winemaker will assess the ageability of a wine, and the anticipated time it may spend in the bottle before it is opened, and the closure to be used. wine intended to be consumed with less aging is a good candidate for a synthetic cork. and the plot thickens: the winemaker will decide based on those factors just how much "free so2" (what many refer to as sulfites) to add to the wine at bottling time. the reason the so2 is added is that it protects the wine from oxygen. it is the most effective thing in the bottle at eating oxygen. as the oxygen combines with the so2, the so2 is converted to a no-longer active state, reducing the protection against oxygen to, eventually, zero. as the so2 is depleted, the aging process, and eventually spoilage, can proceed as the oxygen becomes available to the wine.

                what you may be observing as bottle shock from wine under synthetic corks could be a so2 content higher than would allow for proper aroma development. many winemakers will bottle their wine destined for synthetic corks with a higher so2 content to offset the faster oxygen infiltration into the bottle. if this wine made its way into your hands faster than the winemaker assumed, a higher so2 would not be surprising. fortunately, as you observed, decanting the wine to aerate it will help deplete the remaining so2.

                current winemaking practice is making great strides at having the wine near its peak when bottled, so decade(s) of aging may become much more rare. this trend may lead more winemakers to screwcaps, since the carefully crafted contents should age as slowly as possible if it is already very near the peak, and screwcaps will age the wine the most slowly.

                and they are much less expensive than either type of cork - the other huge factor in their use.

                on the other hand, syntrhetic corks continue to be developed, and they need not necessarily outperform natural cork. if they can become their equivalent, the lack of tca alone will enable their continued surging popularity.

                i alluded to other differences between synthetic corks and natural. some of you have observed sensory impressions from wine under synthetic corks not easily attributable to high so2 levels. all corks, synthetic or natural, are "coated" at the end of the manufacturing process. the coating is a lubricant. i do not know the various compositions used, but suspect they are silicone and/or wax based. it is not unreasonable to assume these coatings could interact with the wine in a detectable way.

                also there are two types of synthetic corks as you observed - one piece molded ones, looking like they have a shiny skin (supreme corq), sometimes hard to extract in our testing; the other type are extruded and then cut to length, so they appear to have a skin on the cylindrical surface but the ends show the core material. the ones we use are made by nomacork, and appear to have a denser core than the others. there is some controversy about the degree of scalping (aroma absorption) that the synthetic corks exhibit. the jury is still out on that, but it looks like there is a very tiny but observable difference, where synthetic corks can very slightly decrease aromas. but in my book that is better than a few % corked bottles.

                so, while screw caps are cheaper, and a near perfect seal, the purists will want to see what real, gradual bottle aging can do to the wine. those are the differences that can inspire us to keep trying to make ever better wines.

                and if we lose the magic and romance of a traditional cork extraction experience, the wine may not suffer, but somehow i think it cheapens our collective soul just a little tiny bit.

                'whew' got carried away there...
                think i'll go extract a cork.
                cheers
                rix
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    Re: screw top verse cork?

    Sat, February 10, 2007 - 6:12 PM
    I have been buying good quality wine since 1965. I never had much problem with corked wines until about 10 years ago. It seems to get worse every year. Screw tops are looking better every day.
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    Re: screw top verse cork?

    Sun, February 11, 2007 - 7:07 PM
    Yes, I have read that upwards of 10% of wines are corked, so it could account for some profit lost. I agree with the folks who say popping the traditional cork is much more elegant and sensual at the dinner table, but now we have synthetic corks and screw tops. I don't really know what screw tops mean for wines that age for many years, does it eliminate the need to recork?
    A great wine is an experience from begninng to end, and that starts with the uncorking.
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    Re: screw top verse cork?

    Tue, February 13, 2007 - 12:31 PM
    I am by no means an expert and I usually do recoil from the bottles that feature a screw top for one stupid reason. When I go out to eat or share a bottle with friends and family, the first thing I think of (my own hangup) is that they will think I am serving them cheap wine because of the cap. I have had some great wines with screw caps when I can get past my own foolish hangup. Seems the Austrailians are using them more and more.

    I guess I vote Yes to screw caps (as long as no one is watching)!
    • Ray
      Ray
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      Re: screw top verse cork?

      Tue, February 13, 2007 - 11:41 PM
      I really am going to have to spring for a bottle of PlumpJack or something in screwcap, just to prove it has nothing to do with cheapness of the wine... All the same, I prefer cork for my best wines. just a little cognitive dissonance. :)
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      Re: screw top verse cork?

      Thu, March 1, 2007 - 8:06 AM
      Most of my friends care more what the wine tastes like than what type of sealer the bottle had. You can always decant the wine and nobody knows.

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